if it's like apple - I'll steer well clear. the computers suck, the tablets suck and the phones break all the time - and suck ;-)

I will have a look at octopi cheers.

Currently trying to get softshaper to work.
got a clean machine, clean windows 7 64bit install, ran all the updates. Installs okay.
Just crashes when you try and use it lol

Shame, as when it works, it looks like it could be a real challenge to simplify3d - but obviously not, if you can't use it :-)

I'm even contemplating sticking windows 10 on to see if that helps (has to be a first time for everything).