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    Let's Discuss 3D Printed Guns Some More in Wake of Orlando Shooting

    In the wake of the mass killing at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, gun regulation has once again become a national conversation. This is without a doubt an important conversation to have, but it is important to keep the conversation focused on facts, not derailing topics that are not related to the problem. 3D printed guns are not a viable way for a criminal to acquire weapons, neither the technology or the materials needed are especially suitable for the production of firearms. And those that can make working guns are far too expensive to ever be viable alternatives. You can read more about 3D printed guns over on 3DPrint.com: https://3dprint.com/139537/3d-printed-guns/

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    Let's not !

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    ...the other side is pretending that because a gun can be made in someone’s home then there is no reason to restrict any kind of access to guns period
    I do not think this is a correct representation of the argument. I think there is a dimension of time here. The argument would go like "since a gun can currently be 3d printed at home, and the 3d printing technology is rapidly and irrevocably evolving, there is no way in the near future you could prevent someone from fabricating any gun at home, so it's kind of fruitless to keep forbidding them. If you would instead keep not so rigid laws regarding both possession and display of firearms, that would be a more efficient venue because people would take the necessary effort to be legal, and they would also be able to defend themselves in case another armed opponent intends to go crazy mass-shooting."

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    In the states ANY talk of gun control is at least 150 years too late.

    Guns in the states outnumber people by a factor of 2:1 (at least).
    So any talk of gun control or extra legislation is kind of pointless.

    And the standard argument that crops up among gun enthusiasts in the states that: 'well if more people carried guns, less people would get shot.'
    Is just ridiculous, it would be laughable if so many people didn't believe it.

    It's often coupled with the 'fact' that only bad people and terrorists shoot people. Statistics show this also to be utter nonsense.

    face it guys, as far as the states is concerned - guns are not going away any time soon. And neither will one of the highest numbers of people shot anywhere in the world go away.

    More guns=more people shot.

    So the issue of 3d printed guns is really only an issue in countries that DO have effective gun controls.
    And even there it's not a real issue as ammunition is always controlled along with the weapons.

    Yes you could 3d print a gun in the uk, but unless you also knew how to make the ammunition - you couldn't shoot anything from it without illegally buying ammunition.
    And if you know someone who illegally sells ammunition - they probably also sell illegal guns as well.
    So why bother printing something that's more likely to injure you than anyone else.

    In the unlikely event that someone did manage to get anti-gun legislation passed in the states, does anyone actually believe that all those existing guns would be handed in ?
    Not going to happen.

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    More guns per capita in Switzerland than the States.

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    really ?
    Does that include pistols ?

    One of the things that americans don't usually understand is that gun control doesn't mean you can't have guns - it just means you need a reason.

    Case in point. I have a client who shoots at a local gun club as a hobby.
    He's got an mp5, some kind of .50 calibre sniper rifle, a winchester underlever for which he makes his own magnum rounds and a couple of others I can't remember.
    Keeps them at home.

    His reason for owning them: he wants to and likes target shooting.
    And that's in a country with some of the strictest gun laws around.

    In the uk you can pretty much have anything that's not a pistol or full auto. The mp5 was restricted to semi-auto.
    But as long as you can prove you have somewhere safe to shoot, and aren't a convicted criminal, there are very few restrictions on what you can own.

    I live in a fairly rural area and a LOT of people have shotguns. Most small game hunting in the uk is done with air guns that don't generally need a licence (unless you go above 12ft/lb power) and most other hunting is doen with shotguns, for which you don't need to have somewhere specfic to shoot, just somewhere safe to keep them.

    Most americans have this idea that nobody in the uk has a gun. Not true. The difference is that in the uk Only those who have a reason to own a gun, own a gun.

    We don't treat the like toys, we don't use them for 'self defence', we use them as the tools for which they were originally created.

    It's a cultural difference.
    I think at last count we had 3 shotguns in the gunsafe. Including a fully moderated (silenced) shotgun that would be illegal in many us states.
    That always tickles me. You can own a gun in the uk that's illegal in most of the us :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by curious aardvark View Post
    In the states ANY talk of gun control is at least 150 years too late.

    Guns in the states outnumber people by a factor of 2:1 (at least).
    Source?


    300 million guns estimated, 330 million people. Hmm

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    anecdotal :-)

    But it's still centuries too late.

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    It is compulsory for all Swiss males to own a rifle.

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    That 12 ftlb limit is a joke. At that you can put a pellet straight through a 3x2 piece of wood.

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