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    Finally got the damn thing printing. Took some effort, electronics was really the thing that caused some problems:
    - as mentioned previously, fet was blown due to bed drawing too much juice. The bed resistance is 1.1 ohms, so @14V that is ~180W, with is bit too much for the fets that are rated for 10amps I think? Replaced the fet and tuned the bed max power from full power to ~115W (duty cycle from 255 to 160). I think there's bit room to go higer, but I'll see how this works. Bed seems to heats up reasonably fast.
    - the electronics cover I printed was too small. The display connector cables were too high, so had to redesign the model 10cm taller and reprint it. Dollo3D.2 to the rescue again, new cover done and works fine
    - while assembling the RAMPS to the new cover, some of the pins didn't go the the Arduino connectors and obviously caused problems with endstops and display. Common problem with RAMPS, you need to align the boards correctly and check that the pins aren't bent.
    - while debugging this problem, I accidentally nudged stepper driver heatsink off and it caused a short on top of the driver. Result: z-axis is dead. Depression ensued. But resolved this problem by switching the E1 and Z driver pins in Marlin and now Z is driven by E1 socket driver. No big loss since won't be using E1 on this printer.

    After I got all things sorted out, ran the selftests, XYZ, Z and first layer calibrations. Everything checks out, my frame is 100% correct if Prusa's algorithms are to bebelieved. Awesome.

    Still, couple of things to sort out:
    - Trinamics and the 0.9 degree motors doen't seem to like each other. Ugly coil whining, even though everything moves properly. Probably switch A4988 drivers in for now. Sad, was really hoping to have the Trinamics interpolation.
    - X-endstop mounting screw head hits the left z-coupler at minimum z-height just enough to cause skipped steps. Need to file some stuff off of the screw head or the coupler.
    - top frame isn't stable. Not a surprise since it's printed. Need to design clamps to tighten it. Wont affect print quality with small z-heights, but taller prints will suffer.

    Classy Marvin scaled to 50%. Some PLA I purchased from Amazon. Seems to need bit more retraction and maybe cooling. Also first layer is a mess due to the z-skipping, lucky that print even stuck to the bed. I'll try Benchy tomorrow.





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    Quote Originally Posted by spegelius View Post

    As mentioned previously, Mosfet was blown due to bed drawing too much juice. The bed resistance is 1.1 ohms, so @14V that is ~180W, with is bit too much for the fets that are rated for 10amps

    - while debugging this problem, I accidentally nudged stepper driver heat-sink off and it caused a short on top of the driver.

    No, I had other problems with my secound 3D Printer, after fixing never got back to My 3D Printed System...

    On my Controller I made heat sinks with an Aluminum Bar for a heat sink. As they were overheating did not need a large heat sink, no space for a good Heat sink.
    With an adequate Cooling fan the Straight Bar Aluminum provides sufficient heat dissipation.

    Controller 2.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by spegelius View Post

    As mentioned previously, Mosfet was blown due to bed drawing too much juice. The bed resistance is 1.1 ohms, so @14V that is ~180W, with is bit too much for the fets that are rated for 10amps

    Question is a separate supply for the bed that you are using or is this power controlling everything.
    If you have a single power supply powering everything you may have many problems.
    By using your supply powered at 12 volts power P in watts (W) is equal to the squared voltage V in volts (V) divided by the resistance R in ohms (Ω)

    Equals 130.9090 Watts

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberts_Clif View Post
    I am not sure how it came to be that we started adjusting our 12 volt power supplies to 14 volts.
    This must be from the movie "Tool Time" an "Tim the Tool man Taylor", if you remember the movie everything Tim made had to have more power.

    PROBLEM : The Power supply was designed for 12V and a specific current draw. When we exceed this rating the supplies cause problems.
    will take my Power supply because I know it.

    My Supply 12volts at 30 amps = 360 watts
    If I was to turn the voltage up to 14 volts
    Then 14volts at 30 amps = 420 watts this supply was designed for 360 watts.
    And what you do not see the the Head voltage this is the voltage above your 12 volts to keep electrical noise down.
    You have essentially nulled the supplies ability to clean the noise so with your power supply operating in the RED you will see many noise related problems.

    If you are using a 12 V Power supply I would lower the voltage back to 12volts. you will have a better operating 3D Printer.

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    I adjusted the PSU to 14V because that's what Prusa did with MK2 when it was launched and it was suffering from temp faults when using the part cooling fan. Their fix was to tune the PSU to 14V. I haven't checked the PSU on my original MK2 (now MK2.5), but I assume it's running at ~14V.

    You might be correct about lowering the voltage back to 12V, though. It's obvious that 14V is overkill for the MK42 bed, especially with RAMPS. Also I'm using a silicone sock on the hotend so lower voltage shouldn't cause problems with it. Also as I bought the E3Dv6 directly from E3D, it might be that it has a more powerful heater cartridge than what MK2 was shipped with.

    Still, the printer has been working fine so far, no blown fets since I restricted the bed power in firmware.

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    They Did What !!!!!

    Then do a happy medium 13v.

    OR

    Add a Smaller dedicated supply for the Controller. Then using external high power mosfets drivers with the Larger 14 V Power Supply. thereby protecting the Controller from over current and noise.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-ANET-A...LG5Q:rk:2:pf:0

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