Would you buy a resin printer????

[curious aardvark]

lol well it won't be to start with.
You'll need competition for the prices to drop.

[dunginhawk]

so what about the pegasus touch 3d resin printer? pretty decent build volume as well as a good price point at 3K.
anyone have any experience with that one?

[Sebastian Finke]

so what about the pegasus touch 3d resin printer? pretty decent build volume as well as a good price point at 3K.
anyone have any experience with that one?

I've read that this is one of those dodgy ones to be avoided. More because of the company's client relations than anything else. I can't remember where I read it but if I find the link I'll post it here.

[dunginhawk]

curious.... im wondering what you think the future will hold for this and FDM? Im of the other camp. i think resin based printing is the past and the future. FDM just doesnt have the quality, or the streamlined process that we need for heavy adoption.
I think once resin solves the build size problem and the messiness etc, it will take off. If i could print in resin and have guaranteed (mostly) bonded layers etc vs someone who prints something in ABS that may fall apart in a week, ill take resin.
SPeed is a factor of course as well.
I just dont see FDM printers being around to the extent they are now. Unless a LOT changes. They are too hard to tweak and get perfect prints, too many moving parts.
Now take this with a devils advocate side of things, as i do a fair amount of business in FDM printing. just saying

[dunginhawk]

So I went ahead and bought a form1 clone on ebay for 880$. While I think it may be used (cant be sure, but there are some scratches etc) and the CD didnt work (had to contact them to get a DL link) once that was up and running without any calibration at all i started printing.
Now I assume I need to calibrate something, or level something. It cant just be this easy...
So here are some pics of my first print. LITERALLY the first print i tested on this printer. No fails before this, nothing.

The quality and detail is pretty staggering. There are some spots where I see some layer stuff, and there was some VERY thin (layer like thinness) chunks attached here and there that came off in the alchohol. What would be causing that?

Any suggestions on how to make this better would be great... of course I need to find more resins to work... any suggestions there? As you would have guessed, support on this will be lacking haha.

POPCORN for reference scale haha

[awerby]

I found that when I switched to a glass-bottomed tank that the "floaters" (those annoying little chunks that adhere to your parts) went away. I'm not sure if the tanks that fit the official Form1+ will fit your clone, but if they do, you can get them from Zak Timan: ZTiman "at" gmail "dot" com

You can get a variety of resins from the Formlabs store:
http://formlabs.com/store/us/form-1/

Andrew Werby
www.computersculpture.com

[dunginhawk]

he has not gotten back to me
check that.. he has

[dunginhawk]

I have an Ultimaker 2 and an B9Creator 1.2 at home.
I don't use the Ultimaker anymore.
The Ultimaker has 2 advantages, build space and toughness of the finished model. The B9Creator has 2 advantages, incredible print quality and less restrictions when designing.
I haven't used the Ultimaker in nearly a year. I use the B9Creator daily (counted over a year, probably every other day).

I do miniatures for war-games. Soldiers, vehicles, buildings etc.. The casual onlooker does not see the difference in quality between a printed miniature and one bought.
Some things like building get decent results on the Ultimaker, but decent is only enough, if you can't get good or very good.

There are things the Ultimaker is better suited for, but I almost never print those.

As the main advantage of a resin printer is print quality, you should buy the best you can afford. Expecting the Peachy Printer to deliver high quality prints is IMHO naive. ANd a bad resin printer is not better than a good FDM, printer, so why not buy an FDM printer and get the FDM advantages as well.

Resin printers are more messy, because fluids are more messy than solids. Post production is a skill you learn. I remove the build table, use a knife to remove the model, put it in a jar with IPA, put the jar in an US cleaner (filled with water) for some minutes. Get the model out, remove the supports and I'm done. At least with the B9 you do not have to clean and empty the vat after every print.

Whether to buy a resin or an FDM printer is just a matter of what you want to print (and the money available ). If the models are small and full of detail, buy a good resin printer. If you need large or sturdy models use an FDM printer.
Of course you can use tricks, like making making copies of the model and cast them in metal or cut the model up into multiple pieces, or add details with prefabricated parts.

So ive had the chinese knockoff CTC resin printer for about a week and its a mixed bag. Mostly good. for $880 i was willing to take a risk that it would be garbage, it most certainly is NOT.
Ive printed 10 or so things and almost all of them have finished without issue. ONly when i switched to the yellow makerjuice did i have my first failed print. Im reprinting that now.
The detail is amazing, the product is solid. Im actually quite stunned that a $880 printer can deliver these results.
I am still looking for a production ready machine, like the muve, pegasus, morpheus etc. I would LOVE the larger build area, but with DLP that comes with limits. Where as the formlabs 2 seems to have a decent (not big) build area, great support, and a solid community. Right now im leaning formlabs 2.

[dunginhawk]

oh, and ill echo what brumbaer said... Now that i have a resin printer, even though its not the best one out there, I dont even want to use my FDM printer anymore haha.
If i could get a build area the size of the taz 5 id sell it in a heartbeat.

So the question is... is there a resin based printer out there (muve3d comes to mind, but still makes me nervous) that can print .05mm (50 micro) parts, in the 10x10x10 build area (or close) for 5-6K????
I have that to spend on a new resin based printer and would love to hear my options.

[UAVUHNM]

With any given hardware, there is only so much you can do quality wise.
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