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    Hi Roxy,

    In pins.h I have the Case Fan defined:
    #define FAN2_PIN 2 //Fan2 --- Case Fan

    I need to run this fan so my stepper drivers don't overheat. Please let me know where the lines are that turn this fan on and set its speed?

    Also, please let me know where is the "temperature.c - temperature control" tab? It doesn't show across the top or in the drop down arrow selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxy View Post
    Clough??? Did adding the Z_RAISE_AFTER_PROBING fix the problem?
    Thanks, Roxy. It's working well for me. I've got about 35 hours of continuous printing on it now, and its looking solid.

    I do have a little oddity with the bed leveling I can't figure out. The probe results show that the bed is not flat. The readings at the right edge and the middle of the bed are just about the same, but the readings at the left edge are a tenth of a mm or so lower. But with a straightedge and .05mm feeler gauge, it seems completely flat to me.

    It's odd, and it after the leveling, the z seems to rise linearly when moving to the left, so stuff on the left side of the bed doesn't adhere well.

    I would have expected the opposite, dropping as it moves left, compromising on the first layer being tight in the middle..

    I can't get the diagnostics right now, because it's currently printing.

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    Okay, here's the output of G29:

    Code:
    Send: G29
    Recv: G29 Auto Bed Leveling
    Recv: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00184583 b: 0.00039097 d: 4.03347873
    Recv: planeNormal x: -0.001846 y: -0.000391 z: 1.000000
    Recv: 
    Recv: 
    Recv: Bed Level Correction Matrix:
    Recv: +0.999998 +0.000000 +0.001846
    Recv: -0.000001 +1.000000 +0.000391
    Recv: -0.001846 -0.000391 +0.999998
    Recv: ok
    If I'm reading this correctly, the Z height of the bed varies the most in the X direction, and the normal vector tilts toward negative X, meaning the bed is higher at the positive X edge of the bed.

    And the printer does seem to be moving this way. When it moves in the positive X direction, the head moves upward (the +0.001846) term in the [0,2] matrix cell.

    But I think my bed is actually lower at the positive X edge, so I'm confused why it's doing this.

    Is there an easy way to see the actual probe Z coordinates it's reading? That would help me to determine if something is really wrong here or if it's just doing its best with a warped bed or X axis.

    I tried M111 S32. Heck, I even tried M111 S255, but didn't get anything more from G29 than what you see above.

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    Doing a Topography report would be helpful. Something like G29 V4 P5 T That will give you a map of the height of the bed at different points.
    but the readings at the left edge are a tenth of a mm or so lower. But with a straightedge and .05mm feeler gauge, it seems completely flat to me.

    It's odd, and it after the leveling, the z seems to rise linearly when moving to the left, so stuff on the left side of the bed doesn't adhere well.
    I think that is tell you that the extruder is not moving perfectly flat or linearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxy View Post
    Doing a Topography report would be helpful. Something like G29 V4 P5 T That will give you a map of the height of the bed at different points.


    I think that is tell you that the extruder is not moving perfectly flat or linearly.
    Yeah...I think you're right. It's printing now, so I'll have to check tomorrow, but I'll bet that the X axis extrusions are either not parallel, causing the X carriage plate to flex, or the wheels on the X carriage are too tight, causing the extrusions to flex.

    A few minutes with a digital caliper will tell the tale.

    I have to take a step back for perspective sometimes. I'm dealing with a machine here that I put together out of plywood and off-the-shelf hardware, not to mention a pile of parts made by the very machine itself, and I'm chasing a misalignment that's probably half a tenth of a millimeter. Pretty crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxy View Post
    Doing a Topography report would be helpful. Something like G29 V4 P5 T That will give you a map of the height of the bed at different points.


    I think that is tell you that the extruder is not moving perfectly flat or linearly.
    Got a topography report. If I'm reading this correctly, I have a bow in both directions, which is probably a glass or mounting issue, right?

    Also, since 0,0 is in the back, right corner, are the matrices rotated 180 degrees?

    Send: M80
    Recv: ok
    [...]
    Send: G28
    Recv: ok
    [...]
    Send: G29 V4 P5 T
    Recv: G29 Auto Bed Leveling
    Recv: Bed X: 30.000 Y: 30.000 Z: 3.448
    Recv: Bed X: 90.000 Y: 30.000 Z: 3.686
    Recv: Bed X: 150.000 Y: 30.000 Z: 3.851
    Recv: Bed X: 210.000 Y: 30.000 Z: 3.952
    Recv: Bed X: 270.000 Y: 30.000 Z: 3.997
    Recv: Bed X: 270.000 Y: 90.000 Z: 3.996
    Recv: Bed X: 210.000 Y: 90.000 Z: 3.974
    Recv: Bed X: 150.000 Y: 90.000 Z: 3.879
    Recv: Bed X: 90.000 Y: 90.000 Z: 3.742
    Recv: Bed X: 30.000 Y: 90.000 Z: 3.492
    Recv: Bed X: 30.000 Y: 150.000 Z: 3.569
    Recv: Bed X: 90.000 Y: 150.000 Z: 3.816
    Recv: Bed X: 150.000 Y: 150.000 Z: 3.927
    Recv: Bed X: 210.000 Y: 150.000 Z: 4.007
    Recv: Bed X: 270.000 Y: 150.000 Z: 4.044
    Recv: Bed X: 270.000 Y: 210.000 Z: 4.000
    Recv: Bed X: 210.000 Y: 210.000 Z: 4.013
    Recv: Bed X: 150.000 Y: 210.000 Z: 3.947
    Recv: Bed X: 90.000 Y: 210.000 Z: 3.834
    Recv: Bed X: 30.000 Y: 210.000 Z: 3.634
    Recv: Bed X: 30.000 Y: 270.000 Z: 3.601
    Recv: Bed X: 90.000 Y: 270.000 Z: 3.780
    Recv: Bed X: 150.000 Y: 270.000 Z: 3.900
    Recv: Bed X: 210.000 Y: 270.000 Z: 3.970
    Recv: Bed X: 270.000 Y: 270.000 Z: 3.981
    Recv: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00186917 b: 0.00031375 d: 3.51421260
    Recv: Mean of sampled points: 3.84165048
    Recv: planeNormal x: -0.001869 y: -0.000314 z: 1.000000
    Recv:
    Recv: Bed Height Topography:
    Recv: +-----------+
    Recv: |...Back....|
    Recv: |Left..Right|
    Recv: |...Front...|
    Recv: +-----------+
    Recv: -0.24115 -0.06140 +0.05835 +0.12860 +0.13910
    Recv: -0.20715 -0.00765 +0.10510 +0.17160 +0.15835
    Recv: -0.27265 -0.02565 +0.08585 +0.16560 +0.20235
    Recv: -0.34990 -0.09965 +0.03785 +0.13285 +0.15435
    Recv: -0.39390 -0.15590 +0.00960 +0.11010 +0.15535
    Recv:
    Recv:
    Recv: Corrected Bed Height vs. Bed Topology:
    Recv: +0.07745 +0.14505 +0.15265 +0.11075 +0.00910
    Recv: +0.13028 +0.21763 +0.21823 +0.17258 +0.04718
    Recv: +0.08360 +0.21845 +0.21780 +0.18540 +0.11000
    Recv: +0.02517 +0.16328 +0.18862 +0.17147 +0.08083
    Recv: +0.00000 +0.12585 +0.17920 +0.16755 +0.10065
    Recv:
    Recv:
    Recv:
    Recv: Bed Level Correction Matrix:
    Recv: +0.999998 +0.000000 +0.001869
    Recv: -0.000001 +1.000000 +0.000314
    Recv: -0.001869 -0.000314 +0.999998
    Recv: ok

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    I just reran the report with the bed freshly heated and again after soaking. It warps another .05mm when heating and then settles somewhere in between. Time to start swapping glass and adjusting insulation, I suppose.

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    Code:
    Recv: -0.24115 -0.06140 +0.05835 +0.12860 +0.13910
    Recv: -0.20715 -0.00765 +0.10510 +0.17160 +0.15835
    Recv: -0.27265 -0.02565 +0.08585 +0.16560 +0.20235
    Recv: -0.34990 -0.09965 +0.03785 +0.13285 +0.15435
    Recv: -0.39390 -0.15590 +0.00960 +0.11010 +0.15535
    
    That's interesting... I didn't know there was a Corrected Bed Height vs. Bed Topology:
    section to the report. That is new. I'll have to look at the code to see what that is doing. But if the report is orientated correctly for your bed it is saying the front left is almost .4mm below the mean and the front right is .15mm above the mean. Going diagonally, you have .5mm of difference from front left to back right. And .4mm difference from back left to front right. That is a lot. The Auto Bed Leveling should be able to adjust for that, but you will get better prints if you physically adjust out some of that error.

    At this point if you manually adjust your bed to bring all those numbers closer to zero, you will be able to see if there is a warp or a bulge in the bed. What will happen in the case of a warp or bulge is you will see a row or column start off +, go to - and then flip back to +. (or start -, goto +, and then back to -) If you see that on any column or row, you have a non-flat bed and there is some kind of warp. If you see that happen in both a row and a column, it will be likely the intersection of the two is the location of the bulge. But that will only show up on the Topological Map if you have it adjusted closer to level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clough42 View Post
    Thanks, Roxy. It's working well for me. I've got about 35 hours of continuous printing on it now, and its looking solid.

    I do have a little oddity with the bed leveling I can't figure out. The probe results show that the bed is not flat. The readings at the right edge and the middle of the bed are just about the same, but the readings at the left edge are a tenth of a mm or so lower. But with a straightedge and .05mm feeler gauge, it seems completely flat to me.

    It's odd, and it after the leveling, the z seems to rise linearly when moving to the left, so stuff on the left side of the bed doesn't adhere well.

    I would have expected the opposite, dropping as it moves left, compromising on the first layer being tight in the middle..

    I can't get the diagnostics right now, because it's currently printing.
    Hi Clough,
    Do I take this post to mean that you've been running the most recent version of Marlin with changes to support your geometry and not my old fork? If so, that's great news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacb View Post
    Hi Clough,
    Do I take this post to mean that you've been running the most recent version of Marlin with changes to support your geometry and not my old fork? If so, that's great news.
    Yes. At the moment, I still have a fork of your fork published and recommended for my customers, but I have been running the RC on one of my production printers for a while now, and it works great.

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