Is these "laws" something we should worry about?

[Labbo1979]

I just read Stans latest blog and if you follow stan 3dprinterchat.com you would see his other copyright and gun posts. Anyways should we worry about law enforced firmware control systems in our 3d printers?

https://3dprinterchat.com/2016/07/3d...or-gun-makers/

[curious aardvark]

well it's a long running thing.

all iin one printers have had software on them for years that stops you photocopying money.

I know this because my test for a newly instelled printer at a clients used to be copying a £20 note.

Then one day a few years back It wouldn't do it. You just get crap come out. Everything else works fine, but on modern printers you just can't photocopy money anymore.

Plus with plastic printers you can always change the firmware to an older one.

Basically it's the same argument - nobody in the uk can print firearms without incurring the wrath of the men in black anyway.

And in the us you get real guns free i crackerjack boxes. So why worry :-)
Plus anything built into firmware can only be a database of parts they know about. design your own and it won't be in the database - so won't be effected.

[Ama-fessional Molder]

And in the us you get real guns free i crackerjack boxes. So why worry :-)

Exaggerating the issue doesn't help you know. I had to pay several hundred dollars and pass a background check for mine.

Besides, 3d printed guns are no more dangerous than any other gun, except maybe to the user, and if you intend to build one durable enough to do any real damage you will need metal components and they are then just as easy to detect as any other firearm.

All that said, as with the printers and money, it doesn't affect anyone day to day so I don't really see the issue. Plus, we as makers would just build our own printer with our own firmware and circumvent it anyways. There's no way at all to enforce this.


It's Commiefornia. They spend millions creating and enforcing worthless laws that the rest of the world wouldn't ever waste their time with, and then wonder why their economy is shot. The rest of the country rarely worries about or cares what laws they pass, and they are a running joke with everyone from grade school on up.

[Mjolinor]

Exaggerating the issue doesn't help you know. I had to pay several hundred dollars and pass a background check for mine.

Is that rednecks only or all citizens?

[Geoff]

well it's a long running thing.

all iin one printers have had software on them for years that stops you photocopying money.

I know this because my test for a newly instelled printer at a clients used to be copying a £20 note.

Then one day a few years back It wouldn't do it. You just get crap come out. Everything else works fine, but on modern printers you just can't photocopy money anymore.

Plus with plastic printers you can always change the firmware to an older one.

Basically it's the same argument - nobody in the uk can print firearms without incurring the wrath of the men in black anyway.

And in the us you get real guns free i crackerjack boxes. So why worry :-)
Plus anything built into firmware can only be a database of parts they know about. design your own and it won't be in the database - so won't be effected.

I can confirm this, they still use microdotting in photocopiers to trace bank note copying. The machines I work on use the yellow toner to spray practically invisible microdot serial number identification. Anywhere there is white, if you get a microscope you can see the yellow microdots. This is how they track which machine copied the bank note. Considering 99.9 percent of photocopiers are under a management agreement, tracking them down is pretty easy.

[curious aardvark]

Exaggerating the issue doesn't help you know. I had to pay several hundred dollars and pass a background check for mine.

Buying a gun at a gun fair
background check person: 'say son do you want a gun ?'
you: 'yes i do.'
background check person: 'are you a terrorist and do you have a driving licence ?'
you: 'no and yes.'
background check person: ' good enough for me, what gun do you want ?'

Given the form you used to have to fill out when entering the states - that's not as daft as it sounds.
There was ALWAYS a question asking if you were a terrorist.
Stupid people used to tick yes for a laugh.
18 hours and 3 body cavity searches and a little humourous water boarding later - they weren't laughing any more. Customs officers have no sense of humour.

So did you have to buy a LOT of crackerjacks and save up coupons then ?

[Graham]

Buying a gun at a gun fair
Given the form you used to have to fill out when entering the states - that's not as daft as it sounds.
There was ALWAYS a question asking if you were a terrorist.

First the questions ask in various, multiple forms whether or not you have associated with terrorist (et al.) organizations, giving a normal person reason to wonder what kind of idiot terrorist would say yes.

BUT remember that in the US, the constitution technically protects your right to associate with whomever you choose. By asking this question, and the applicant lying about the answer, the perjury laws now provide grounds for action. When the application is signed, you are acknowledging these perjury restrictions and they can be very severe.
Graham

[Ama-fessional Molder]

I didn't realize that the background check was just lying on a piece of paper and didn't have anything to do with actually calling a specific organization and checking criminal history, which is a thing that happens. It takes about 20 minutes to go through the whole process over the phone as a gun dealer.

And most people selling a used gun will do a basic online check to verify that someone is not a felon. Not to say that you can't just sell a gun to anyone, but it's a 5 year minimum sentence if you get caught so people tend to cover their asses.

You see, we don't believe in restricting anyone's rights BEFORE they commit a crime, so if the background check is clear, then why should they be stopped from buying something?

But I am sure you know all of this from firsthand experience and not just what you've read online.

EDIT: For minimum sentence accuracy.

[Sebastian Finke]

You see, we don't believe in restricting anyone's rights BEFORE they commit a crime, so if the background check is clear, then why should they be stopped from buying something?

This is so important. More countries should adopt this approach.

[djprinter]

I didn't realize that the background check was just lying on a piece of paper and didn't have anything to do with actually calling a specific organization and checking criminal history, which is a thing that happens. It takes about 20 minutes to go through the whole process over the phone as a gun dealer.

And most people selling a used gun will do a basic online check to verify that someone is not a felon. Not to say that you can't just sell a gun to anyone, but it's a 5 year minimum sentence if you get caught so people tend to cover their asses.

You see, we don't believe in restricting anyone's rights BEFORE they commit a crime, so if the background check is clear, then why should they be stopped from buying something?

But I am sure you know all of this from firsthand experience and not just what you've read online.

EDIT: For minimum sentence accuracy.

Actual background checks are done by computer and fact checked. You'd need a false ID to get past one.

Private sellers don't have to do any background check at all--which is referred to as the "gun show loophole" since gunshows are full of private sellers.