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    Wait, did you mean $10,000 or $100.00? If the former, then they're in the low end for Stratasys machines, but they're much too expensive than any normal people would pay. If the latter, then they're either making these things out of paper and prayers, or they're planning to charge $10 per gram of material to make up the cost.

    One hundred US Dollars is close to the average weekly grocery bill to a middle class American, to put it in perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feign View Post
    Wait, did you mean $10,000 or $100.00? If the former, then they're in the low end for Stratasys machines, but they're much too expensive than any normal people would pay. If the latter, then they're either making these things out of paper and prayers, or they're planning to charge $10 per gram of material to make up the cost.

    One hundred US Dollars is close to the average weekly grocery bill to a middle class American, to put it in perspective.
    sorry, i wanted to write 100'000 usd,
    here is a link mentioning it could be that expensive:
    https://gigaom.com/2014/10/29/hp-say...rives-in-2016/

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    They're referring to it as "industrial," which frequently means over half a million dollars. "Professional" is commonly used for printers in the $100,000 price range. Then again, it's hard to tell, because there is an awful lot of misleading innuendo being thrown around. I've never seen marketing material with so many footnote disclaimers.

    The machine seems to be a ZCorp with more nozzles and jets that apparently prints with powders other than sandstone. They compare its speed with FDM or SLS, calling it "comparable technology," which is simply not true. Objet or ZCorp (now 3DS x60) would be a more accurate comparison. They also mention future metallic materials, but I suspect that would have to be a different machine, because they tout this one using less energy because it doesn't require the same heat as SLS or SLM. Without the heat, you won't bond metal to metal. It could also be that "metallic materials" simply means metal flakes/particles inside a clear plastic, like Ultimaker's brass filament. Apply some temperature to it, the plastic melts and the metal falls apart, because it was never bonded in the first place.

    Still, if it is essentially only a bulked-up ZCorp that can use a wider variety of material, it would be terrific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugues View Post
    sorry, i wanted to write 100'000 usd,
    here is a link mentioning it could be that expensive:
    https://gigaom.com/2014/10/29/hp-say...rives-in-2016/
    Wow, okay. No that's not affordable at all.

    Just to clear that up, US dollars haven't inflated that much.

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    They're saying the Sprout will cost $1,899.
    which for a full colour poly jet machine is cheap.
    The build volume does look pretty small.

    Now equate that to a £50 hp 2d printer with hp ink that costs £20,000 per litre - after a couple decades or heavy competition.
    And the materials could end up amazingly expensive.

    I think the machine will be sold on the 3d photocopier idea rather than a small industrial printer.

    There is already a company on a crowd funded site that's producing a 3d printer with built in desktop copier. But, lets face it hp have got more money and better paid engineers. So the hardware should be pretty good and sensibly priced.
    It's the consumables they'll get you with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious aardvark View Post
    They're saying the Sprout will cost $1,899.
    which for a full colour poly jet machine is cheap.
    The build volume does look pretty small.
    The Sprout isn't the printer, it's the computer with the scanner and other fancy gubbins.

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    I have some hunches that this technology (jetting) will soon be used in Desktop machines. Both HP and Stratasys (PolyJet) seem to be headed in this direction. Don't be surprised to see desktop printers using this type of technology by 2017 or 2018. Just a hunch. The technology really isn't any more expensive to produce than that which is used in SLA printers like the Form1

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    It's not much more expensive to build, but it has been patented to hell and back, so Stratasys has a monopoly on it, therefore, they cost as much as new cars. The build material for it isn't more expensive to produce, but the format lends itself to chipped cartridges, therefore the material costs more than inkjet ink (which is absolutely obscene already).

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    and you're dealing with both a powder deposition head and an inkjet deposition head. Sla is simpler tech.

    So the printer isn't the sprout ?
    What's the printer called ?

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    Well, PolyJet isn't the same as powder and binder, it has a similar mechanic, but doesn't need any powder by curing the resin directly to itself before it can lose its droplet shape.

    The printer is called the "HP MultiJet Fusion"... not to be confused with the "HP Fusion IO" flash drive, from a completely different part of the company. Yay originality.

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