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    Ender 5 suitable for ABS / HIPS printing?

    I?m looking to embark on my first 3D printing adventure and would be grateful of any advice regarding printing using ABS or HIPS filaments. I have researched as much as I can understand as far as materials go and printer capabilities. I initially have a specific need to create an enclosure for an existing electronic project. The current enclosure I have sourced is listed as being made from ABS and Polystyrene although I?m unsure as to whether material is a blend as opposed to either ABS OR Polystyrene and if the polystyrene is High Impact Polystyrene.
    With regards to printing filaments I can see that it appears I must choose from EITHER ABS OR Polystyrene as I have not yet discovered a filament blended of these two materials if one even exists.
    I have also read that both of these materials have a significantly higher printing temperature than PLA and other filaments.
    I would like to know if the 3D printer that appears to meet my needs that I have been looking at purchasing, which is the Creality Ender 5, is suitable for the materials I need to print with. I have seen the recommendations for full metal hot ends and higher temperature tubing along with a few other upgrades. I would rather purchase a printer that is more that capable of printing with higher temperature materials than one that will produce a result but at the upper limit of its capabilities. Please excuse my ignorance on this subject, I?m researching as much as I can for myself but personal experience and knowledge from others is golden in a situation like this.
    Would anyone have any suggestions as to suitable printers and or materials or to produce what I require or any reason why the Ender 5 may not be the best choice within my budget and requirements.
    Many thanks for taking the time to read and hope to lose my filament virginity soon!

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    Super Moderator curious aardvark's Avatar
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    well the ender 5 is better than the ender 3 (but then so is being kicked in the groin by a professional rugby player) . But at the end of the day, it is still an ender made by creality. so don't expect quality build, components or any support from the company.
    The new anet a8 PLUS - is probably a better buy.

    Thats said - no it's not really suited for abs.
    You really need an enclosed print volume for abs.
    Temperature wise, printing should not be a problem. Abs normally runs at around 235-255 - so most decent hotends will print it without issue.
    But it's not an abs friendly printer, out of the box.

    Plus it's still using a bowden extruder - I don't think anyone knows why. There's no logical reason not to use a direct drive extruder - which is much better.
    But then there's no logical reason not to use a direct drive extruder on an i3 either.

    I have to admit I have never printed with hips - but as far as I know, there are no inherent problems and you don't need heated volume.

    Now why do you think you have to make these enclosures out of the same material ?
    pet-g or pla would probably be at least as good.
    For outdoor and solvent resistance both are better than abs. From a 3 printed point of view, both are stronger and more durable.

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    Why are you so against Ender 3's? Honestly for the price point they are probably the best 3d printer to get someone into 3d printing. Sub $200 USD is hard to beat for the quality of print you can get from them. Sure they requiring fine tuning, assembly, testing - but most printers do.

    Back to OP - I do agree that an enclosure should be used for ABS (need to keep the bed temps up, and that's hard to do even in a small room with no fans) although you can literally build an enclosure out of MDF wood if you have the tools/space to try. The hardest part is making sure the sensitive electronics (power supply and control boards) are NOT in the enclosed space - we want to keep those things cooled after all.
    this will usually require rewiring of some parts (extensions) as well as a bulky take-down of the printer (to re-wire to a safer route) and once it's done, your not going to ever want to revert it. (all the hassle of rewiring again, re routing the wires, etc)

    It also depends on your application for the 'need' for ABS/HIPS - many parts, prints and otherwise can be printed using other methods and plastics to give similar results to ABS, and yes some need to go even higher than ABS temps - but some don't. It really depends on what your using the printed object for.

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    I have printed with a Prusa i3 Clone Hictop 3DP11/12 for some years now and have had no problems printing ABS.

    It is much easier to print ABS when using an enclosure. I basically made a simple enclosure using a single sheet of particle board and Clear plastic sheets.

    The Twins 2.jpg

    Taking a sheet of particle board and cutting it into 5 pieces and fitting them together into a box with one open side where the Clear Plastic door attach.
    Now this is not a great piece of work as it slipped when being glued together a little out of square, oh well!

    I still have little problems with ABS when printing real thin pieces as they are too fragile and break easily while the same print in PLA works?
    Last edited by Roberts_Clif; 07-20-2019 at 05:45 PM.

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    Super Moderator curious aardvark's Avatar
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    why am I against ender 3's ?

    take a look around the forum. In the last 12 months we've had more posts about problems with ender 3 than ALL other printers combined.
    And we're just one forum !

    Plus they looked at all the best design features of josef prusa's I3 and said: 'Nah, we don't need any of that stuff - let's just have one central bed support, one z axis motor and a bowden based extruder.'
    It might be suitable for an experienced user - but it's absolutely NOT suited for a beginner and definitely should never be a first printer for anyone.

    On top of that, they do seem to have a lot of quality control issues and I've yet to hear of anyone who's had a positive experience with creality's 'support'.

    It's a bad design, it's made with poor components and the manufacturer doesn't appear to give a crap.

    Okay with a fair bit of work and modifications you can make it work.
    But a first printer shouldn't need to be re-built to work.
    Last edited by curious aardvark; 07-20-2019 at 12:46 PM.

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    The ender 5 is much better than the ender 3

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