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Hey guys, XYZprinting has announced the April release of their latest 3D printer, the da Vinci 2.0:
http://3dprint.com/1393/da-vinci-2-0...649-price-tag/
This printer will have many new features the first version of the da Vinci printer lacked. The biggest one is probably the dual extruder heads. The price of this printer will be $649, which is $200 more than its first version.
Awesome News Guys, the da Vinci 2.0 is now available for pre-order at their site: http://tw.store.xyzprinting.com
Also if you are one of the first 100 people to place your order they will throw in a free 600g ABS cartridge.
Has anyone used or heard anything about someone who's used this printer? Really interested because of the specs and the price point.
I've read very negative reviews from a few users on forums, but I don't remember where it was that I read them. It was during my search for a printer, I was going through many many reviews and forum posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by squadus
The manufacturer will make most of its money from filament you buy later. Even if the company does make a bit of money from each printer sold, it makes a much larger profit margin on filament which cost exactly $93 per kg.
Hi there, how did you get to this price? The cartridge has 600gram http://us.xyzprinting.com/Filament (weights 900grams inc spool)Quote:
Originally Posted by YosemiteSam
So, about 1p a gram more to use this when assuming:
decent 1kg filament is £30
And the XYZ filament being £26 for 0.6kg (this is roughly how much it costs me from US inc taxes etc, da Vinci not in the UK as yet)
decent 1kg = 0.030 per gram
xyz Da Vinci per 1kg = 0.043 per gram
(? - I think!)
Even if you substitute £ for dollars, the da vinci price comes to about $43 per kg
so £10 or $10 more per cartridge. but then consider the advantages, for newbies, like myself don't have to mess around with different filaments and worry too much moisture and dust etc. More info on da vinci cartridge innards here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c46taMkkaLE
of course, this does depend on how many rolls someone gets through. I don't know, as I don't have a 3D printer. I am awaiting a zortrax, but have ordered a da vinci to play with.
And hopefully perhaps later on, someone will get round the microchip issue.
hope this helps,
Check their website carefully. It is only 300g filament on a roll.
http://us.xyzprinting.com/Filament
http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/0...-0-3d-printer/
I also have Zortrax M200. I think it is currently the best ABS 3D printer on the market beside Up/Afinia.
Oh I see what you mean. However, as per the article you linked "..But at only 300g for the included spool," - the starter pack has 300g. The filament that are purchased are 600g. I guess, for that price, they are only including a small amount of filament.Quote:
Originally Posted by YosemiteSam
Glad you recommend the Zortrax - it's the only reason I've stuck with not cancelling - the fact, that current users have recommended it. Though, it does bug me a lot that some of the features (auto-levelling) is not working for a $2000 printer. Having said that, might have paid even more if I could have had one within a shorter timescale.. We shall see - not sure where I am on the Zortrax atm! :)
ps. I could be totally wrong about the Da vinci even being worth $499. for that amount, I am willing to gamble and accept the slightly over-priced filament. having said that, was just reading a post by someone else saying how many different factors are involved in choosing filaments. this choice is made for you. bit like over-priced ipads. high priced, closed sourced, but I have to admit, they just tend to work!
Yeah, but it costs $1900 vs. $500. $1400 will pay for a lot of filament, even at US$.10/gram.Quote:
Originally Posted by YosemiteSam
My objection to the "only our filaments" is the reason they do it: it means I can only use their filaments. I can't use transparent or translucent filaments, or ninjaflex, or - well, anything else.
But they mean for this to be an entry-level consumer printer, not a makers printer. They offer support to consumers beyond what you can get by asking google for answers. I can see that letting people use whatever filament cost least on ebay when they bought it would make the support job a lot harder - and hence more expensive. They don't seem to have done anything specifically to prevent people from using other filaments, just to make support easier: yes, it detects when there is a filament cartridge inserted, which makes sense to me. Yes, the chip in the cartridge reports on filament type and remaining filament, both of which seem like useful information to have to prevent printing with the wrong material or without enough material. This information isn't encrypted or otherwise protected, just not documented.
To me, this makes sense as a business model: You sell the printer at cost or just above to get as many sold as possible. Makers who buy it and hack it to use other firmware or cheap filament probably won't be asking for support, so just make the user base look bigger. Consumers - the real target market - who use support will stay with the proprietary filament, so we price that to cover the cost of providing support. How much that is, and whether the US$.10/gram cost is a rip-off you can't really say without knowing about the support you're paying for.
Of course, that's speculation. They could be pricing the printers below cost, expecting to make it up on the filament, or something equally sleazy. In that case, they'll be doing things to prevent hacking the printer, like encrypting what's on the chip.
Or maybe there isn't a really a market for a consumer 3d printer, in which case only hackers will buy the printer, and who knows what they'll do.
Good printer, horrible software. Their latest firmware update (1.1I) basically broke any hint of decent printing this printer ever had. Search youtube and look at the issues the owners are having, including retro'ing the firmware (back to 1.1G) to get it to print, and the worst print quality I have ever seen.