yes john and sorry, i dont want to come off as being all negative and be a makerbot basher or anything of the sort. as i said i do not own one so take that info for what its worth. there just seems to be far more discontent on that forum than others. there are alot of really knowledgable people over there which is why i visit it. the whole tone of that forum seems negative concerning the machines and company themselves. i just dont see that on most other forums. i do know that there are a ton of cry babies out there though that love to troll the forums and spread their crap.