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    FlashForge Dreamer vs Dremel's Idea Builder

    I picked up the Dremel Idea Builder for $999 at my local Home Depot 2 nights ago. It is basically a re-badged Dreamer without a heated bed, and with a single print head (PLA Only), but it comes paired with a Dremel Warranty, and support.

    The Dreamer is a few bucks more, but it prints with various materials.

    Has anyone else looked at both or had time with both? I'm looking for feedback. This was my first 3D printer, so I wanted to make sure I had the opportunity for a local store return if it didn't do what I needed it to, it had issues, or didn't work within the first 30 days.

    How much of a loss am I at with only having the 1 print head, non heated bed, and only able to use PLA? How bad is the smell with ABS? I plan on purchasing small parts for Astronomy and Night vision so hopefully PLA meets my needs.

    Thanks.
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    Abs smell can be anything from unnoticeable to awful with the difference mostly being in the size of the print. Longer prints will smell a lot more than small ones. Very small prints won't smell at all unless you're in a very small room and/or have a very sensitive nose. I'm about an hour into an 8 hour abs print right now and I have my windows open despite the 35 degree day because the smell was giving me a headache.

    2 heads are not really useful especially at your level of experience. In my experience so far they cause more problems than they solve. Oozing with dual extrusion prints can ruin a print and even if you're only using one of the two heads, the other can end up scraping the part as it passes over and ruining the print. The benefits are multicolor prints and using different materials for support that can be removed with chemicals that won't effect the main print material. As you gain experience you may want to try it out and at that point you may regret only having the single extruder but for now I wouldn't worry about it.

    Not having a heated bed imo is an issue. It limits your material choices dramatically and can also make keeping the prints stuck to the platform more difficult even with pla. Again, for now it probably won't be a problem but I suspect you'll be wanting a heated bed long before you want a second extruder.

    Assuming the dremel version is in fact a dreamer or at least adheres to the same level of build quality you will probably be happy with your purchase. If you're a tinkerer at all you will probably find yourself modding it in fairly short order to make it better and/or looking at a second printer to give yourself more capabilities.

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    The Dremel is indeed a joint venture with FlashForge. The Dremel team indicated that some of the Dreamer parts were upgraded (bearings, fans, motors - according to an Ask Dremel Q&A) as well. So far, I have zero issue with my parts NOT sticking. In fact, I am almost the other side of the spectrum - I broke a couple of the frogs I printed trying to pry them off the surface. I am still trying to figure out the optimal settings.

    One question
    - for leveling, there was an included piece of cardstock that I am to slide between the extruder and the bed. It said to adjust the bed until there is resistance when pulling the cardstock through. How much resistance should there be?

    On the Dremel Software, there is an advanced menu, and I can change the layer height beyond 3 default settings (low, standard, high), which I thought was locked out on the Dremel version (early reports indicated many of the fine tuning features were crippled).

    Dremel includes a nice stick on build tape that sticks on over top of the glass bed.

    So far it seems ok. I am getting some warping when printing items with non-supported edges. I also have a loss of detail on the bottom of the print where it mates against the bed. Is this inherent of all 3D printing, just as a nature of the melted material? I have objects that have thread patterns on them, and it does not thread properly when the thread is at the bottom of the print - I have to rework the start of the thread a little.












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    Quote Originally Posted by catalyst View Post
    I picked up the Dremel Idea Builder for $999 at my local Home Depot 2 nights ago. It is basically a re-badged Dreamer without a heated bed, and with a single print head (PLA Only), but it comes paired with a Dremel Warranty, and support.

    The Dreamer is a few bucks more, but it prints with various materials.

    Has anyone else looked at both or had time with both? I'm looking for feedback. This was my first 3D printer, so I wanted to make sure I had the opportunity for a local store return if it didn't do what I needed it to, it had issues, or didn't work within the first 30 days.

    How much of a loss am I at with only having the 1 print head, non heated bed, and only able to use PVA? How bad is the smell with ABS? I plan on purchasing small parts for Astronomy and Night vision so hopefully PVA meets my needs.

    Thanks.
    Don't get your PLA and PVA mixed up. Totally different filaments. PVA is only used as support material since it is dissolvable in water. You would need two print heads to make use of it also.

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    Sorry, I meant PLA - typing too fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catalyst View Post
    The Dremel is indeed a joint venture with FlashForge. The Dremel team indicated that some of the Dreamer parts were upgraded (bearings, fans, motors - according to an Ask Dremel Q&A) as well. So far, I have zero issue with my parts NOT sticking. In fact, I am almost the other side of the spectrum - I broke a couple of the frogs I printed trying to pry them off the surface. I am still trying to figure out the optimal settings.

    One question
    - for leveling, there was an included piece of cardstock that I am to slide between the extruder and the bed. It said to adjust the bed until there is resistance when pulling the cardstock through. How much resistance should there be?

    On the Dremel Software, there is an advanced menu, and I can change the layer height beyond 3 default settings (low, standard, high), which I thought was locked out on the Dremel version (early reports indicated many of the fine tuning features were crippled).

    Dremel includes a nice stick on build tape that sticks on over top of the glass bed.

    So far it seems ok. I am getting some warping when printing items with non-supported edges. I also have a loss of detail on the bottom of the print where it mates against the bed. Is this inherent of all 3D printing, just as a nature of the melted material? I have objects that have thread patterns on them, and it does not thread properly when the thread is at the bottom of the print - I have to rework the start of the thread a little.
    It is more important to have the same resistance at all adjustment points than the amount. Just make sure it touches the card and that should be ok.

    Just print at the Standard settings it should be .2mm layer height.

    Small threads are beyond the resolution capability of the printer. Plan on making the holes a little smaller then tapping.

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    Having briefly owned the 3D20, the reason your parts are sticking too well is that you have the first layer too close (this is definitely a factor of the build surface that they provide). Move it back a little at a time until you get the amount of stick that you want.

    I ended up returning mine because I felt that it was just too expensive for what I got (only PLA, no heated bed, somewhat crippled software, warranty voided by using 3rd party filaments, etc, etc...). In hindsight, I'm glad I did because the unit I bought to replace it was 200 dollars cheaper and does everything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssayer View Post
    Having briefly owned the 3D20, the reason your parts are sticking too well is that you have the first layer too close (this is definitely a factor of the build surface that they provide). Move it back a little at a time until you get the amount of stick that you want.

    I ended up returning mine because I felt that it was just too expensive for what I got (only PLA, no heated bed, somewhat crippled software, warranty voided by using 3rd party filaments, etc, etc...). In hindsight, I'm glad I did because the unit I bought to replace it was 200 dollars cheaper and does everything...
    What did you end up getting, and are you happy with it?

    The FlashForge Dreamer is currently $1299 with a $150 rebate. I am still not entirely sold on the Dremel. My local Microcenter also has a Creator Pro Clone (PowerSpec 3D Pro) for $799.

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    Funny you should mention that one, I got the Powerspec 3D Pro for $799. I'm VERY happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssayer View Post
    Funny you should mention that one, I got the Powerspec 3D Pro for $799. I'm VERY happy with it.
    Was there any additional setup or anything else? As a 3D Printer noob, will it be fairly simple to set up? This one was pretty much good to go out of the box. I would prefer to spend $799 if given the choice.

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