Hi,
There are many approaches (in terms of what axis does what) to designing non-delta 3D printers.
Does each approach have a name?
What do you call the type of printer that uses the Z axis to raise/lower the bed?
Thanks.
Frederick
Hi,
There are many approaches (in terms of what axis does what) to designing non-delta 3D printers.
Does each approach have a name?
What do you call the type of printer that uses the Z axis to raise/lower the bed?
Thanks.
Frederick
The ones that run on rails and either raise or lower the bed or raise or lower the print head while moving the bed are generally called Cartesian style 3d printers.
No idea if anyone has bothered to divide them into categories and give the categories silly names or not :-)
Thanks much.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious aardvark
It would make searching for a given style easier if they had names of some sort. I was looking to buy a printer that moved the bed along the Z-axis and couldn't figure out a google search that yielded the desired results.
Frederick
well all the makerbot clones and machines based on that design have x&y on the print head and z on the printbed.
It's a pretty good system. I've got no complaints.
Thanks - that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious aardvark
My thinking is that the best system is one that keeps movements in the different directions independent from each other and the BCN3D+ for example does that, the printhead is on a Z-screw and moves only along X with the bed moving along Y. With an XY moving printbed you see a bit more vibration. An XY moving head is a good system, only after 5 years of use I am seeing that tiny perturbations occur and I probably have to reassemble the entire shaft assembly.
It makes sense distinguishing these if you like. In robotics people are doing PhDs developing taxonomies just so we can classify all different possible workable configurations of robots, with many DOFs.
We will for now need X-bed, XY-bed and Z-bed types for Cartesian printers, then there's Delta, Scara and Polar printers. I still prefer the Cartesian type because of the accuracy.
Thanks for the feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ralphzoontjens
I have little experience with 3D printers.
It just seems to me that moving the bed in the Z axis makes sense as that movement corresponds to the layers printed.
Frederick
As a recent and complete convert to delta style printers. Got to say the best solution is the head moving in all three axis.
Once you're dialled in and tuned, a delta will print cleaner, faster, quieter and with considerably less of the artifacts you get in cartesian machines.
The model does not move and the way deltas move creates almost no vibrations, so you you get less detached prints (none so far) you don't have to stick things to the bed as hard as you do with a cartesian.
And you can do really improbable prints like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUN_YI46MjU
I'm still pushing her to find the limits.
I bought three low cost delta kits (from China) just to see what you got for $300 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious aardvark
I first put them together using the stock parts and they seemed to work fine BUT I did not do a lot of testing as I was already looking ahead to upgrades.
My long term goal is to equip them with Diamond 3/5 color hot ends.
I want to have a non-delta printer just to compare.
Frederick
in that case your best bet is to get qidi x-one: https://www.amazon.com/TECHNOLOGY-X-...idi+3d+printer
$299 decent bit of kit.
Has x&y on the print head and z on print bed. Probably the best of the real budget cartesian machines around that isn't a prusa i3 style.
My delta build 'blog' here :-)
http://3dprintboard.com/showthread.p...t-a-delta-kit-)
My delta thingiverse page here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2386628
Most delta kits look practically identical, so all the mods should work on all cheap delta kits.
Still trying to find anything negative about her. :-)
Just wish i could find a manual for the board.
Because of the hit-or-miss nature of documentation, the limits of 8 bit boards and more I have settled on the Duet product line as my "goto" controller board. Yes they are more expensive but given the intelligent design, capabilities, documentation and support they are worth it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious aardvark
https://www.duet3d.com
Frederick
'more expensive' - yeah, just a little: £144 !
That's mental !
Guess it depends on what you are actually building. Maybe for a full on industrial cnc unit.
Definitely overkill for a cheapo delta printer :-)
Perhaps you would feel differently after you worked with them - I feel it is money well spent - the documentation and forum support (by the developers) is worth something - to me anyway. And the board design is first rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious aardvark
Frederick
I've never spent that much on a motherboard for a high end pc. And i have built more than afew of those over the last 25 years.
Given that ramps boards are around the £20 mark, and perfectly adequate for a delta printer.
I don't see why you would practically double the price of a dirt cheap, top notch printer.
Someone somewhere has the information I want. Spending a ridiculous amount of money on a board like that for a project like this is akin to using a steam hammer to squash a malteeser :-)
I can see it probably has it's place. But it's not in a sub £200 3d printer.
My long term goal is to equip these printers with Diamond 5 color hotends - the Duet with expansion handles that with aplomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious aardvark
I'm retired after working hard for many, many years - it's time to have some fun.
Frederick